[Project] Dynamic Living City
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Short Introducton

Dear reader,

You might have seen my name around in the server.
WoM is the first server I play/build some buildings in.  It's more than awesome to build something, you can share 24/7 with anyone else who is interested. They can follow you, help you out or just watch you doing your thing. But once it finished, it's finished, you visit it a few times, show your great and earned result to others on the server, and then, you move on, building something new.

This last thing, is something which doesn't satisfy me, and I hope others share this feeling too.
Because of this, I thought about building a city, a living one, which is dynamic in his kind.
Building a city, isn't original, or making it alive by 'roleplay' isn't original as well.
Beside the 'roleplay' is only joyful for a small part of the community.
And once a city is build, and finished, and all the ground is used, you are back again where you just started.

So the question is, how can we make it living and dynamic?
Well this is what I came up with.

The Living Dynamic City

We all play this game, because we like to build thing. So that should be the main purpose of this city. That should be something which makes this city dynamic and living. For the ones who like to roleplay, they are always allowed to.

There should be some kind of forum where people can sign in into this project, and are allowed to start a living in this city.
Anyone who isn't signed into this project, can access the city, but will act like a tourist.
Every living citizen will need a house, a place what they can call home.

So they start with a small piece of ground, and can build a house inside their area.
The trick is, that we all need to start small. Later on, we can expand to bigger house lots, or we are allowed to build higher or deeper into the ground, to expand your house on your current lot. You are always allowed to change your house on your owned lot though.
When you are allowed to move to a better house lot, or area, will depend on some factor like time and availability of a bigger house lot, or some kind of currency (I think that's impossible)So with this, by just living your live, being active on the server, you can move to bigger lots, make bigger houses etc. While in meantime you can build, rebuild, decorate, redesign your house any time you want. Because every houselot will be in some kind of residence area, you will have plenty of neighboors to chat/build/show off with. Off course there will always be a competition who has the most beautiful house of their neighbourhood.
This, makes it dynamic, and living.

There is no live, without having a job. On the sub forum, you can make your own company's or work for others. As there is no currency, no money in the game, the employers need to use there fantasy to reward their personal, by either giving them a bigger office in the company, or let them allow more tasks or more difficult tasks.

Well what kind of jobs can we come up with?
a small selection I came up with:

- City Council: They (dis)approve new company's, and are responsible that the demand and amount of housing lots are equal. (so people can really build a house, or there aren't to many larger housing lots then really is needed)
- Brokers: They assign on the map the new housing lots, and assign company lots. This will be done by creating different lot sizes and  mark out their size by putting some fence around it.
This way, people can chose their lot they prefer. Also 'cheap' lots will have a limit of how high or how low a building may be. More 'expensive' lots, will have less strict limits.
- City Infrastructure: These men build bridges, roads, side walks and plant some trees to connect every household to every other building or company in the city.
- Environmentalist: They create lakes, to flourish the city, and connect them to several lots, so they are more 'expensive' and people need to work hard to be able to get them. Also parks, football fields or anything you came up with.
- Engineers: every household and company or state building should be connected to streaming water. Without water, you can't live. When a new lot is made, they need to assure that the owner of the lot can access the city water supply. What they do is digging tunnels underground, and connect all lots with water. Its a difficult job, one mistake, and basements will be full of water.
They can make 2 water ways if they want. one clean water, and one dirty water.
to make water look dirty, just use a dirty backdrop :)
- Architects: people you can hire to make advanced buildings. This is a sector with great concurrence.
Some people want to start for their own, and some people only want to get that madwomen job spot at the best architect company there is in town.
- Designers: Got so called saloon company's where they can show there new designs you can use in your house of company.
- Gamehost: Some one who host games like running or chess in a stadium.

and so on and on.

So in short you got enough things to do:
- Building your house
- redesigning your house
- Taking a job
- Doing your job, like building a park or a new water connection
- Get an office, redesign the interior of your office.
- start your own company
- Building your company on the map
- going to a larger lot, starting a new house,
and the list keeps going on.

I think there is no doubt that this will be a living dynamic city, and just by building, destroying, building again, redesigning houses company's etc.
Also public buildings like city halls, library's, courthouses etc. will be needed eventually. For that the city planners will open job spots, so freelancers can apply for a spot to help build the public building.
I bet you can come with some other great things as well.

Few problems:
We dont have a currency or money, so advancing to make a bigger company or house should be based on the following factors:
- House:
* amount of people living in the house, more is faster advantage.
* time you spend online, the more online the faster advantage.
* the global look of your house. it its a mess, it more likely you wont get a bigger lot.
* Your job function and succes.
* availability of larger lots, there will only be a few.
*....

-Company:
* amount of people working for the company
* amount of jobs done by the company
* amount of time the employees are online
* Global look of your company, if its a mess, its more likely you wont get a bigger lot
* availability of larger lots, there will only be a few.
*...

Other problems are
- there is no room for this on the main server :P

So what do you guys think?
I think it should be overlooked and tweaked here and there before it can become a living.
So if you got something, or if you think you already want to participate with this, please raise your hand :)

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nice to see all the work you

nice to see all the work you put into this idea
i would like a server like that
only one suggestion
since we have no way of implementing money(thus far)
land size should be decided on World of Minecraft ranking
ex. guests get slum lots, members get small lots, op's execs get large lots and etc also the lots are arranged in to zones to make it semi-realistic
we should not start on a server sized scale though
to make sure it would work we would need to grab a little bit of area on a current server and sort of beta test your idea
maybe start with a neighbor hood...

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IMPORANT VERY VERY

IMPORANT VERY VERY IMPORTAND

(ye i clicked reply to be sure people are gonna SEE this)
DLC server died map got lost
BUT dont cry now we got a new thing
in the server Gompasta's Univers we made a NEW dlc map
just ask a mod/admin/superadmin/owners to boot dlc
it might be not-active now cuz the map is abanoned
(yes it starts with the abanoned style again but i mean the world havent been booted in weeks already)
(just in case most active people there are me gom and wirt
okay we are the only owners but still)

EDIT: this server is custom so we have a /balance and /pay command
very handly and we dont can get cheaters now
(oh yeah well we can by creating extra accounts but that results a ban)
BUT other worlds are using the commands too so dont spend your money on DLC a lot or else you would run out of money and then you cant buy things on other worlds

Bye bye not-super-working gold block system :D

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My thoughts

Yeah, i click reply cause this (in my opinion) is very important!

What you should try and do is get an admin, executive or even an ower to look at this. Send them a message about all of this and then (or a bit later) try to work with them and pursuade them to make a special sever for this!

For jobs or companies/buisnesses, you can't have a city without:

Resturants/cafes: Have people set up resturants and cafes around the place, they can ave chefs, waiters and (if there lucky) a cleaner!

Hotels: Now, i myself am an EXPERT at hotel making and know that you got to have a hotel in this place. I always include (as all hotels shoud): little cafes, bathrooms, hotel rooms, the lobby which MUST have a registration desk at the back) and (optional) a swimming pool! Now for any good hotel to run smoothly you must have: a manager AKA the person who founded the hotel, a cook (for the cafe part), (optional) cleaners, registration worker (works at the registration desk) and room sevice people (show people to their rooms and helps them when needed)

Pubs/nightclubs: for those who like to party and get drunk you always need a pub or nightclub somewhere! U would hire: The DJ, barman and (optional due to cheekyness... :3) poledancers!

Still these are only a few of my thoughts that should go into this city. If you want more ideas just tell me and i'll give them to you!

Good luck with this! ;)

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Brilliant idea. Watching a project grow is the thing I miss most on World of Minecraft. I often find myself watching time-lapses of servers and watching how a community is able to stick to a theme and work together to create a city and grow and expand that city.

I'd love to take part in this.

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Good stuff

This sounds like a lot of fun. The thing I'm always looking for in servers is good architecture or city themes.

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Thanks for your enthusiasm

Thanks for your enthusiasm guys.

Like soda said, its not like building individual houses etc, but build it as a whole community. And once its build, its need to be taking cared off, instead of leaving it alone.

Hax:
Could be possible yes, but since World of Minecraft are already there and the  city is just at his start, it wouldn't be fair to give others an advantage since the beginning. Beside, high ranked World of Minecraft members are there for other purposed than just building (checking grievers etc)
So there should be a new ranking from the start, which is only used for this 'game'.
Guests should be act like tourist like they do on the server now days.
I agree that there should be a beta test before on e.g. the main server, but for that we need more support, especially from the admin/owner side.

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This would be quite cool. IMO

This would be quite cool.

IMO there should be standards for buildings, as in no castle spire type things. It'll be like an average city with a residential area, with trees and such and some water pipes, then downtown with tall buildings, a few trees there and there and a park. And it'll have some cavernous tunnel systems undernearth (Think: Imperial city from Oblivion maybe? But more modern)
Would also be fun RP.
Flaws I can see with it however-
Firstly, you would have to find a way to keep people in line. Etc, if someone is building on an empty lot they can't build on. The mayor/broker may not be online at the right time to fix something and so on.
If this is on a separate server, things would be a lot easier. The problem is, it's tough to get another World of Minecraft server. It could always be done on a server that's not antigrief yet is only up when OPs are on. 
That's my ideas about it. it's a cool concept. 
On a closing note, it would also be quite cool to integrate with MP survival when it comes out. 

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a little off topic

adding to what flink said

i can't wait to make tribal villages/castles in mp survival

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this is AWESOME

this is AWESOME this just needs to be done i hope the staff accept this project and open a server for this
i already have plans and projects in my head of creating a great house and let it grow to a thing wich looks 1000 times better
but IF we use real water we must be sure its save like enough blocks underground so you cant flood the entire city
and we must be sure we have always something to do
like while your house is done and you dont need to do anything for the company hmm... may we could make a Spleef zone so we have something more to do

anyway COOL
P.S i would love to work with the water pipe system

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Thanks for your

Thanks for your enthusiasm!

Survival imo sucks actually. Those NPC's spawn everywhere. If you build a nice fort or something, they just spawn right in it (as that is my experience)

Its hard to keep constantly building, if you already got your best design for your house and company.
If you got yourself a nice job, or your own company, you might be busy doing tasks for other people.
But if there is none, the city council will plan events like building a public library or water cleaning systems, or stadiums or whatever you find in real life.

Some of these buildings can be interactive like playing mini games. Some will just be there for the looks.
There is also the option to roleplay, by simple making contact with your neighbours, or stealing employees from other company's so your company can move to a larger lot.

its wont be building things constantly.
Hope for feedback from admins

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This is a really cool idea i

This is a really cool idea i have been hoping to have come up sometime. I love to do civil engineering like pipeworks, electrical lines, etc... I am currently going to college to study as a civil engineer and i know a lot about how to properly lay out sewer, electric, and water systems implemented in a city environment, so i would gladly volunteer for that position :)

>>IMO there should be standards for buildings, as in no castle spire type
things. It'll be like an average city with a residential area, with
trees and such and some water pipes, then downtown with tall buildings,
a few trees there and there and a park. And it'll have some cavernous
tunnel systems undernearth (Think: Imperial city from Oblivion maybe?
But more modern)<<

Excellent idea, just what I had in mind. Tunnel systems like the ones from imperial city in oblivion are what are used in modern cities because sewer/water/electrical/gas/communications all run in them. If you have ever been down in the tunnels underneath a big city they can be enormous, especially places like where the sewers all converge (as unpleasant as that sounds,) can be acres big.

(wonder how that would look on a resume for experience, "civil engineer in online game")

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hmm....

hmm.... we need a server for this and if World of Minecraft doesnt give us a World of Minecraft custom server we could set up a private server (to prevent griefers from destroying entire citys) and place the link into a topic in the World of Minecraft forums

anyway i COULD do my idea soon the only problem is:
its not 24/7 so may anyone else have a suggestion of how we can do this???

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Cool to see tome interest

Cool to see some interest from a real (future) civil engineer.
You could make it even more advanced because of your knowledge. I smell a nice worth full company there ;)

 I think an underground imperial kind of city is a little unreal. But advanced engineer pipelines, underground pump systems, or anything else that is supposed to be underground (like a metro), should/can be build. But a whole city....

Lets first wait for a reply from some official, before we take action ourselves. If someone is close with an admin, please let him/her know about this topic.

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I really hope this gets

I really hope this gets going. It's a really cool idea I have been searching for since I started playing this game, but nobody has really done it before.

I've already gone into single player and started tooling around with different ideas I have. I keep trying to make things really realistic but due to some constraints of the game thats about impossible.

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I want this. Now. No really

I want this. Now.

No really this is a great idea, the amount of effort you put in your post and the ideas you have are outstanding. 

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I love the idea

It sounds really cool but there are a two very large problems i can think of right now.

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First off i don't think triddin will be adding any new servers because of costs.
I think there are a lot of people who would like to join in on this, the map would have to be very large and it will still be filled up eventually, so no one else will be able to join once this happens. 
Although a possible solution to both problems would be to do this on SMP's or Daedal's, once once the map is full put it in a museum and so a new server wouldn't be needed and Daedal and SMP would keep there servers the same, although absolutely no updates could be made.
It really is a great idea though the best i've seen on World of Minecraft in quiet a while, i would love to see a role-playing server.
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Also pizzadahutt, one of our staff got a job offer after what they had built was noticed. As an architect or designer of some sort, i can't remember the details at the moment.
And Flink about people building in plots of land that do not belong to them, their area could be assigned.

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Thanks for your reply.I dont

Thanks for your reply.
I dont really get the museum part actually.
But that doesn't mind.
I think it will take some time before the map is filled, mention that all starting lots may like be 15 by 15 or so.
It will be full eventually, I hope it will be full actually.
2 reasons
- People like it so much
- So people should gather and overthink how to create more land out of unused land like forests/farms etc. or overhauling the general mapping by making less wide roads/sidewalks or making flats/apartments where people can build their own apartment level. So you get the real development from a village into a metropolis.

About making private areas.
If you do that, you will not be able to 'hire' an architect or designer to do something for your house. Or the good willing neighbour who helps a hand building a new garage for instance.

We can solve grieving issues by creating a state police.
If they catch some grieving basterd, they go into jail.
One positive side on that, the jail will be nice :)

second job will be Repair men, who fix the damage.
Oh and if the griever his opinion is that he was helping a man instead of grieving, we will need a court, and lawyers.
Smell the possibility's? Both forum, server and chat will be active like kids on a playground.

I hope that if we get some more of this clear on paper, and if many people really want to see this happening, the admins will give us a fair try.

Important Edit: Please mention that this type of gameplay comes with a lot or rules. Many more than the free build server (main server).
The most though thing is, letting players obey those rules.
People will need to swear their asses to obey the rules.
Because the city is really depended on growing, players should understand that they start with almost nothing, and have many building limits.
Please don't forget that.

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planning

planning private server for this project =D
1 problem:
its not custom and its not flatgrass

does that matter???

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I dont think so, Gives it a

I dont think so,

Gives it a realistic touch ;)
Also gives us more work to level it , or just build against the hills or evade them or...or or

Anyway,
I think your offer of a private will be nice :D

P.S You are arch right, are you the niels who helped me yesterday?

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yup

yup im that guy

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I guess if you want to be

I guess if you want to be really realistic, when creating a real city excavation would have to be done.

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Server problem,

What about The Archives,
Its got a well designed ranking system,
It allows you to create you'r own mini server,
And it has alot of tools that World of Minecraft has,

I wouldn't count this as advertising, but i think it could go in that department,
Although, The Archives is a recomended server, according to World of Minecraft anyway.

I would like to help with this project, i've tryed to get my idea like this out there, but it keeps dying, by some fault.

Good luck, lets hope we can do this.

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urk

urk i have to wait1 month for i can run a server

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a city/urban texture pack =D
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Hmm. I might be able to put

Hmm. I might be able to put up a server, but I don't exactly have the fastest connection in the world, and this map will probably be pretty bandwidth heavy.

Someone would have to give me a walk through of how to set one up too.

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here is your
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gom and me are

gom and me are NOW making the map
server name: gompasta's dynamic living city

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gom and me are

gom and me are NOW making the map
server name: gompasta's dynamic living city

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Sweet

Sweet, up yet?

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WE DID IT!!!

WE DID IT!!! server is up =D
gompasta's Dynamic living city
gom is in the name cause he hosts now
its NOT private but full custom YAY and it haves custom OMEN map

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Ugh, gompasta's server is a

Ugh, gompasta's server is a mess though. Cult assigned me a spot and then gompasta told me I couldn't even build....ok then (Cult was the only helpful one, gompasta just kind of ignored me,) Much rather have it on a minecraft server. Maybe next one will be better, but I really don't understand the whole feudal age thing and the gold. I was hoping it would be something more like what the OP was describing, a more modern city with skyscrapers and the likes. To each is own I guess.

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Not enough room on the main server?

How about making a whole new server for this project? I mean it is very nice idea, but unless there is a new map for it i don't believe it will work.

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Sorry to hear that

Sorry to hear that pizza.
There is some miscommunication, and I guess it first needs to get back to the drawing board.
Also people want to have a currency, which is without any script, almost impossible to strive for.

the reason why it is not build on the main:
- We dont got approvement for it
- Main is full in 1 day
- al the other 'gaps' are filled in 4 days.
so there is not enough room.

Like I said, I am going to re think some things over and try to contact some people with more server experience than me.
In mean time I don't know what will happend with the gompasta's server. Maybe its good to continue it to see what else 'goes wrong' or right.

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were changing host

were changing the host of the server when i can run a server (will take some months)
and then the lag explosions may not happen
is that good or not
and yes it will be custom (same as old server though)

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question?

what server is this being hosted on?

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Currently none, at least none

Currently none, at least none official.

You might find some 'ripp-off' servers in the list which are using almost the same gameplay we had on the test server.
I spotted 2 of them yesterday.

But, off course, if you want the full product, the real deal.
You will unfortunately need to wait.

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So my one isn't official?

So my one isn't official? Sorry that i couldn't get my server up yesterday. i wasn't here.

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Yours was,as we discussed

Yours was,
as we discussed about it.

The other one's (2) were not.

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AHA

AHA thats why it wasent on

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cant get online if server is on

only this weekend (may i can go online but i dont know
may be on World of Minecraft chat
reason: visiting dad and doing by bursday on sunday there
(REAL bursday on 2 feb)

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If..

If you guys are actually interested in this, I'd be more than happy to host this server FOR YOU, making anybody who requests admins, etc. I would just host it, and leave you free to build, etc. :)

As long as I get supreme ruler over the galaxy of Minecraft.
And also, I think the police idea is great. And the jail could be the spawning area, too.

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you cant

you cant become ruler of the Minecraft Galaxy
cause why? highest rank is Mayor (wich is cult)
even ME is high in ranks but still cant rule anything so
no you cant become that

and about the police jail they asked that on the server but gompasta said: NU!!!
=P

anyway i try to get online today =D

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For the records, I contacted

For the records,

I contacted World of Minecraft staff recently to ask if they are interested in this project.
For now, I can't say anything more than they are looking into it.

I actually would like to ask you not to host servers with this gamemode, as it's not complete. I mean, it's far from complete.
So you won't get the full experience, which this gamemode deserves, and will give when it's completely written out.
Besides, I want to attend you again that this gamemode will come with (maybe a little to much) rules. And that needs to be clear first, before people get disappointed.

At the moment, I would like to request you for some more patience.
I or maybe the World of Minecraft staff, will keep you updated about this.

MvP:
If you only want to host for the power, I think you are totally missing the purpose of this gameplay.
Thanks for your offer, but I don't feel for using it.
Besides, the major will be chosen by the citizens.

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I mean..

I was just kidding about the power thing.

I mean, if World of Minecraft isn't going to host this server, I'd be more than happy too, and let you guys RP.
I would name it whatever, make whoever admin, etc. 
I'm just saying, I would host this server for you.

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i like this idea

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We should wait

This is a great idea. I would like to join when the idea is ready to be lived out. But we should wait until it is ready.

I also got an extra job for you: 
Demolisher - There will be need for someone to demolish big buildings.

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IM BACK!!!

IM BACK!!! with 30 euros and a lego star wars Rebel Trooper Battle pack =D

now i need to wait for 2 feb

AND I CAN GO ONLINE AGAIN!!! =D =D =D

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I could also host if needed.

I could also host if needed. You guys would just have to set up the server how you would want it and send it to me or basically tell me what to do. I have a dedicated computer that runs headless in my basement that use to server a lot of media, but has kind of gone obsolete since 1tb+ size hd's are affordable. Needs a new task.

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would be great if it was 24/7

yeh a 24/7 server is what we need

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I would be interested as well

It seems as if all you need now is to actually START the server! I can't wait until this is up and running!

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You are wrong

You are wrong dahu-udge88,

There are a lot of other things to be done.

I wait for a reply from the World of Minecraft staff.
Until then, I would like to ask you not to host this game type on any server.

If World of Minecraft decide to not host this or develop this,
then we might decide to use one of the services people offered us above.

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That's not what I meant

It just seems like you have a good framework hammered out, and that implementing the ideas you have for this into a server is the next step.

And I am never wrong.
Edit: And I was not thinking of making this into my own server, if that's what you thought.

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to your edit:That was more a

to your edit:
That was more a general notice

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Cult try the World of Minecraft chat (#World of Minecraft)

Cult try the World of Minecraft chat (#World of Minecraft) there must be a owner/exec online there

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I'm on nearly 24/7 in IRC.

I'm on nearly 24/7 in IRC. Just hop on and ping me if you need to talk with me or another executive or owner.

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I contacted daedal, through

I contacted daedal,

through PM, and he answered that he is going to discuss it with H4X and others. So we only need to wait.
Little patience people

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I saw a video on Notch's dev

I saw a video on Notch's dev blog and it shows a city

that is how I envision this server, only larger, alive with people and constantly changing

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cult ya got any reply yet?

cult ya got any reply yet?

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Nope, I will notice when I

Nope,

I will notice when I get one.

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I'm worried

With the World of Minecraft Future Plans and Changes, they likely won't host some new project, which hasn't been tried yet.
That's just my worry.

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Well I just want to let you

Well I just want to let you know my offer still stands to host, I just reinstalled on that machine and I am going to make a server on it just to see how well it will do with multiple people, I know my connection will be fine as I've hosted one with upwards of 16 people on my own computer, but it has a 2.6ghz dual core and 4 gigs of ram, this thing has a 1ghz p3 and 384 mb of ram. Shouldn't be too bad, not that demanding of a game even to serve, and it only used about 250mb of ram on my computer when running it.

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what is going on?

Is anything happening here? I really think this is good idea, which i would love to be a part of, but i can see nothing has been going on for a long time.
Is anything happening?
i'm really curious.

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great!

is this going on NOW...?

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Sounds fun!

I really hope that you'll get a reply from the higher-ups soon Cult since this is something I've and maybe meny others have been looking for a long time. ^^
I hope that this idea goes through!

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Please make one like that in beta

Can you make it one like that in beta so that we can use the gold ingots there for cash and we can have

Miners-will go mine things so that there will not be a shortage in gold and other useful ores 
And if it is in beta then we can actually have restaurants and stores that actually sell things 
You should also use obsidian as an underground floor so that it can only be broken using a diamond pick.So in using obsidian as an underground floor you can make illegal mining in houses way harder

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I would love it if i could

I would love it if i could join the city I havent had a server yet but i have built some cool things on single player and I no that your server will be empty without me ;D! Maybe....