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Hi, my name is Matt McMahon. I am better known as warthogkill1 on Minecraft. Today's subject is dealing with a predicament. Wolftone1916, a moderator, was having a discussion about computers. He made some points I disagreed with. Being that that was so, I decided to make some rebuttals. What was said at that point really doesn't matter. What matters is what follows. I asked him to change the subject, because I thought the discussion was getting too argumentative. Maybe it wasn't, but the point was I did not ask rudely (at least in my opinion). The thing is though you can't really tell through text-based conversation how someone could or could not be either demanding or requesting. I may have thought I was requesting, but in wolftone's opinion I was demanding. I then, after arguing with wolftone about wording, decided to talk to another user (kuhngale) privately. I made it clear there that we were on good terms before, and that I felt that our aquaitenceship was being soiled through arguing. I felt at the time he was using his moderator status to justify his means of acting. To tell you the truth, I feel he was forcefully guiding the conversation. Any other topics would be drowned in what he wanted to talk about. I then went on about it with kuhngale. What wolftone will probably tell you next is that I harrassed him. But in actuality, I was trying to tell him points (in private) that I felt were true. Was it the wrong time to ask? Probably so. Was it cool to call him a bully? Not really. But is it a mutable offense (which was what he wanted to do to me) to speak in private how I feel I am being treated? After this is all done with, he then decides to take what I said and publically ask everyone if he was bullying me. He knows full well that the people had no idea of my feelings, the private conversations, or various other things. Also I must say, whom would say yes to such a question? It is all under perspective, and the fact that during the private times he was nicely conversing up the chat probably swayed the participants' answers. I find this out of hand and quite disrespectful of my feelings. I am not innocent here, I know this going into the forums. But what I do know is that I made a simple mistake that is not justifiable for punishment. Thanks for taking my thoughts into consideration and viewing it from my side. I now wait patiently for wolftone's refute to my claims and the discussion that follows, whether it be infantile and trivial or heartfelt and eye-opening.
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...not going to address ANYTHING I say and shrug it off as useless guff? Fine, be that way. Let's see how this plays out with the *other* moderators. Then we'll see who's right.
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This isn't some pissing match of who is right and who is wrong, YOU are the one continuesly escalating this further than it needs to be and you have done it from the jump. I'm merely posting a chat log so THE OTHER MODERATORS who you are obviously addressing here can understand better as to what exactly transpired without them having to dig through mountains of server chatlogs (feel free if the need be).
So NO, I'm not going to argue with you. I know that's what you are seaking (per the server chat and this comment ^^^) but I'm simply not going to bother...
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All I see is wolf discussing interesting mathimatics(Interesting to this SnowGlboe atleast) and warhog taking it completely the wrong way.
The fine line is, wofl was just talking about an interesting topic and warthog persisting it was an argument and then didn't drop it.
TL;DR - I don't see any problem at all.
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I honestly don't even see where this "arguement" started, other than warhog saying it WAS an argument.
but that's my two cents. I don't see the original problem that warhog sees.......anywhere.... because the talking looks like a peaceful talk between wolf and Kman.
This Half-staff rules as: Not an issue in sight.
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From what I see my opinion, I don't see an arguement at all rather warthog trying to ignite one. That's just me though
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Why even fight?
i have a feeling both of you are way more mature than that 
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You shouldn't be posting in complains like this unless involved in the issue or being a Moderator or Administrator.
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I like tacos.
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I approve this comment ^^^
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This should have been locked long ago.
WoM Coins: 1275
*le sigh, well here are the chat logs just so everyone understands EXACTLY what was said, the only thing omitted was private messages from other users:
*EDIT: I took the liberty of putting the conversation between warthog and I in red.
[04:54PM]<CMP>Kman1: true fact. we see in 2D not 3D
[04:54PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: plus, I'm talking glasses 3f
[04:54PM]wolftone1916: not what wired magazine or any of the tech
conventions are saying
[04:54PM]wolftone1916: or leaning to
[04:54PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: *3d
[04:54PM]wolftone1916: wrong kman
[04:54PM]<SMP>apexed77: Wel, it needs to evolve
[04:54PM]<CMP>00buster00: Good lord .-.
[04:55PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: wolftone, do I have to argue with you?
[04:55PM]wolftone1916: if you know math you know the difference
of 3D vs 3D
[04:55PM]wolftone1916: sorry 3D vs 2D
[04:55PM]<CMP>Kman1: cause if we saw in 3D we would see all sides
of an object at once. we only see the sides we are look
[04:55PM]<CMP>Kman1: ing at
[04:55PM]wolftone1916: no
[04:55PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: Can we change the subject?
[04:55PM]wolftone1916: the fact that we can determine depth by
seeing an object means we see in 3D
[04:55PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: cause we aren't agreeing
[04:55PM]<CMP>00buster00: yes, please, my bloody head is killing
me...
[04:55PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: agree to disagree?
[04:56PM]<SMP>apexed77: We see the depth, though, that's 3d
[04:56PM]wolftone1916: so if I see a cube
[04:56PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: i see in 4d guis
[04:56PM]<SMP>kuhngale: hey
[04:56PM]<CMP>Kman1: and im going turn off my chat
[04:56PM]<CMP>00buster00: Finally... .-.
[04:56PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: agree to disagree? Come on mr.
moderator
[04:56PM]wolftone1916: then I see enough of the object to dertimine
its 3D dimensions
[04:56PM]<CMP>Kman1: before i get all pissy at wolf
[04:56PM]wolftone1916: I did architecture for a livng so remember
that
[04:56PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: I don't want to argue with a mod
[04:56PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: You shouldn't get so heated
[04:56PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: We're cool
[04:57PM]wolftone1916: which means I studied very in depth math
involving 2D and 3D spaces
[04:57PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: wolf listen, stahp
[04:57PM]wolftone1916: warthog hush
[04:57PM]wolftone1916: I'm discussing, not heated, discussing lol
[04:57PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: no seriously, stop arguing
[04:57PM]<CMP>00buster00: Yes,, wolf is a.. um... Experianced
person when it comes to dimensions.
[04:57PM]<SMP>kuhngale: what ar eyou guys argueing about?
[04:57PM]wolftone1916: I'm sorry warthog, did someone promote
you?
[04:57PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: I want to change the subject
[04:57PM]wolftone1916: and no one is arguing
[04:57PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: no, you are arguing
[04:57PM]wolftone1916: so change it, but leave others to discuss it
[04:58PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: I and several others are annoyed by it
[04:58PM]wolftone1916: who you and kman?
[04:58PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: Still, this is not unreasonable
[04:58PM]<SMP>kuhngale: what is wolftone even doing?
[04:58PM]wolftone1916: conversations don't have to change simply
because someone is annoyed by it
[04:58PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: discussing 3d
[04:58PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: This is the same as the foreign
country discussion
[04:58PM]wolftone1916: the only one that even turned it into
something heated is you...and kman
[04:58PM]<CMP>00buster00: All he's doing is talking, merely having
a conversation with kman.
[04:59PM]wolftone1916: the only 2 annoyed by it lol
[04:59PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: I'm not demanding, I'm requesting
[04:59PM]wolftone1916: no, you were demanding
[04:59PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: I don't want to be ganged up on
[04:59PM]wolftone1916: lol
[04:59PM]Ubiorbitapi joined the game.
[04:59PM]<SMP>kuhngale: guys let wolf talk about 3d with out bein
bugged! he has the right to talk about something!
[04:59PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: demand and requesting are all in tone,
which doesn't exist in text
[04:59PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: so how is everyones bracket doing,
im at like 7.9% correct lol
[04:59PM]wolftone1916: yes it does
[05:00PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: no it doesn't
[05:00PM]wolftone1916: or do we need to "argue" that face too
[05:00PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: it's all subjective
[05:00PM]wolftone1916: yes it does
[05:00PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: Wolf, please, I'm begging you, just
move one
[05:00PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: *on
[05:00PM]wolftone1916: as requests are typically mentioned as a
question
[05:00PM]wolftone1916: demands are told with a full stop
[05:00PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: You don't have to stop, but I don't like
the words you are saying.
[05:01PM]wolftone1916: now back to 3D
[05:01PM]wolftone1916: 3D and 2D differences are determined by
simple mathematics
[05:01PM]wolftone1916: if you can determine an objects depth
[05:01PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: it's all perspectives right?
[05:01PM]wolftone1916: then it is 3D
[05:01PM]wolftone1916: yes
[05:01PM]<CMP>00buster00: Math.. oh dear lord.. my head..
[05:01PM]wolftone1916: sort of
[05:01PM]<SMP>kuhngale: yeah thats what i was gonna ask.
[05:02PM]<SMP>Mguzie007: oops
[05:02PM]00buster00 left the game.
[05:03PM]wolftone1916: now 4D is an ENTIRELY different
mathematical spectrum
[05:03PM]wolftone1916: to understand it would be to take 2 cubes
and put them together...
[05:03PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: Wolf, don't you see that no one is
interjecting?
[05:03PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: i thought it was more physics
[05:03PM]wolftone1916: did I ask you to interject?
[05:03PM]00buster00 joined the game.
[05:03PM]wolftone1916: or bother conversing about it?
[05:03PM]wolftone1916: no kork
[05:03PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: semantics on the wording
[05:03PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: I meant conversing
[05:03PM]wolftone1916: well not no
[05:03PM]wolftone1916: but not exactly
[05:04PM]<SMP>warthogkill1: well but please stop, you are wearing
me out
[05:04PM]<SMP>apexed77: Uhh
[05:04PM]<SMP>apexed77: Ask him to interject?
[05:04PM]wolftone1916: basically anything involving 1D 2D 3D and
4D is all regarding math
[05:04PM]<SMP>apexed77: Do you think this is your classroom?
[05:04PM]<SMP>apexed77: Bother conversing about it?
[05:04PM]wolftone1916: that's how we even determine the
difference
[05:04PM]<SMP>apexed77: Seriously?
[05:04PM]wolftone1916: 1D is a dot
[05:05PM]wolftone1916: or a point rather
[05:05PM]wolftone1916: with no dimensions
[05:05PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: this is the sort of stuff we did in
calc based physics
[05:05PM]wolftone1916: 2D is a flat surface with only 2 dimensions
[05:05PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: 1d is a point on a plane
[05:05PM]wolftone1916: 3D with 3 dimensions... so on and so forth
[05:05PM]wolftone1916: ^^
[05:05PM]<CMP>Kman1: its hard to find a site full of texture packs
[05:06PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: wai i get it now, this is all calculus,
derivatives and integrals
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[05:18PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] wolf, did you read my
conversation with kuhn
[05:18PM]wolftone1916: and video games
[05:18PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] why do you ask?
[05:18PM]<CMP>00buster00: I only ever play about 4+ hours a day
of Games...
[05:18PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] I'm kind upset at you for
arguing with me. We're cool right.
[05:18PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: if my kid's on a computer he better
be programming or designing
[05:18PM]<SMP>apexed77: Video games are way too addictive for
kids
[05:18PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] so why did it have to be all
what it was
[05:18PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] and why am I to be bothered by
this?
[05:18PM]<SMP>apexed77: IMO
[05:19PM]<SMP>Mrnomnom860: i sold 5 diamonds on accident
[05:19PM]<SMP>kuhngale: tell me about it! i am a kid!
[05:19PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] YOU made it what it was not
me
[05:19PM]<SMP>apexed77: Hard to put down
[05:19PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] do you really want to go there?
[05:19PM]<CMP>00buster00: The new games are overly addictive
and violent.
[05:19PM]wolftone1916: well my kiddos will be too tired from
running around outside to play them lol
[05:19PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] I am not arguing with a full
grown man
[05:19PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] I think you need to drop it
[05:19PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] and move on
[05:19PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] I left it to private
[05:19PM]<SMP>kuhngale: i can stop minecraft anytime i want! i
just dont want to stop now!
[05:20PM]<SMP>apexed77: Not having a console solved the time issue
for me
[05:20PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] but I'm telling you that any
punishment is not justified
[05:20PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] I didn't break any rules
[05:20PM]<CMP>00buster00: ugh.. I'll be 17 in a month..
[05:20PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] what the hell are you talking
about? Who punished you? lol
[05:20PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] any half-baked excuse you give
will be left to the forums
[05:20PM]<SMP>apexed77: At least in this game you create things.
[05:20PM]<CMP>00buster00: ^ its why I love it <3
[05:20PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] you're acting as if you're going
to punish me
[05:20PM]wolftone1916: yeah I agree apex
[05:21PM]<SMP>kuhngale: besides i run around a lot. i do
competitive soccer and football
[05:21PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] you're getting all serious and
telling me to drop it
[05:21PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] lol you need to go do something
lol
[05:21PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: i longboard, so i only have killer
thighs
[05:21PM]<CMP>00buster00: But people find ways to make it
horriable by griefing and other idiotic things .-.
[05:21PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] I am, it's called minecraft
[05:21PM]Cannot find player 'warthogkill1'!
[05:21PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] then stop messaging me about
it
[05:21PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] I'd prefer if you didn't bully
me though
[05:21PM]<SMP>kuhngale: hey hank
[05:21PM]<SMP>Hankthegreat101: Hi kuhn need any help?
[05:21PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] then stop messaging me about
it
[05:21PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: my thighs and calves are astonishing
[05:22PM]<SMP>apexed77: tlol
[05:22PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] You're using your moderator
status to justify it
[05:22PM]<SMP>kuhngale: this is a good game for kids who want to
grow up and be in the engeneer genre
[05:22PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] I want this resolved though
[05:22PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] ha ha ha okay no one bullied
you silly
[05:22PM]<SMP>apexed77: Funniest thing i've read today.
[05:22PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] That's condescending and you
know it
[05:22PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] you are simply trying to play
the victim and chatlogs will show
[05:22PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] no it won't
[05:22PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] so you need to drop it and move
on like I said
[05:22PM]<SMP>apexed77: YEs, schools use minecraft
[05:22PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: i would show them to you but im
afraid i would break the webcam
[05:22PM]<SMP>apexed77: Drafting and whatnot.
[05:22PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] yes it will lol
[05:22PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] you don't argue with the
lowers
[05:22PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] that's immature
[05:22PM]<SMP>kuhngale: hank 1 sec
[05:22PM]<CMP>00buster00: Indeed, they do. A local college uses it
in their Programming dept.
[05:22PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] last time telling you to drop it
and move on
[05:23PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: we have autodesk inventor pro at
schoolw
[05:23PM]<SMP>apexed77: That's ok, kork. I'm a swimmer. I know
the feeling
[05:23PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: haha
[05:23PM]<SMP>kuhngale: does any elementary school use it?
[05:23PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: swimming is fun
[05:23PM]<CMP>00buster00: No, but the kids find ways to sneak it
past the bloody firewall..
[05:23PM]<SMP>apexed77: It is addictive.
[05:23PM][<SMP>warthogkill1 -> me] please don't threaten me. I'm
not being unreasonable
[05:23PM]<SMP>apexed77: One... more... lap....
[05:23PM]<SMP>kuhngale: i cant play violent games lime halo and
stuff
[05:23PM]<SMP>kuhngale: *like
[05:24PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] I have told you to drop it and
move on, if you don't I will mute you as now this
[05:24PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] is harassing ME so move on or I
will mute you got it?
[05:24PM]Cannot find player 'warthogkill1'!
[05:24PM]<SMP>apexed77: I swim with the hs kids next to me... they
are like wind-up dolls
[05:24PM]<CMP>00buster00: o:
[05:24PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: my spring break is going to be one
long halo marathon
[05:24PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] I have told you to drop it and
move on, if you don't I will mute you as now this
[05:24PM][me -> <SMP>warthogkill1] is harassing ME so move on or I
will mute you got it?
[05:24PM]Cannot find player 'warthogkill1'!
[05:24PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: im not aloud to vacation for spring
break
[05:24PM]<SMP>kuhngale: i am glad i cant play violent games
otherwise i would always want to play with guns and
stuff
[05:25PM]wolftone1916: so question to all who are on right now
[05:25PM]<SMP>Gman00003: ?
[05:25PM]<CMP>00buster00: Yea, kuhngale. I played my first gun
related game and I was.. addicted .-.
[05:25PM]wolftone1916: and were on earlier for the situation earlier,
just to be front about what happened and to get a
[05:25PM]wolftone1916: census on what happened
[05:25PM]<SMP>kuhngale: thats why these games are for adults and
teenagers, because the are mature enough to
[05:25PM]wolftone1916: does ANYONE present feel I was being a
bully?
[05:25PM]<SMP>apexed77: no
[05:25PM]<SMP>KorkTheBeast: no
[05:25PM]<CMP>00buster00: Nope?